From Zambia, he came to study in Ukraine, like everyone else. Mom and Dad are two bright people. They met at a disco. Dad danced perfectly , knew Russian well, although his parents tried to [speak] more English. They were together for five years, then separated. After the divorce and the master’s degree, my father went to work in a specialty in Zambia. I stayed with my mother, but after parents’ separation, she also went to Europe.
How did it happen?While my parents were a couple , mom went to Turkey. She bought and sold clothes. As they could then, got out of that. She came with bags, with all this. And she managed to travel. When the marriage fell apart, she decided to go to the Netherlands. She lived there for five years.
And you?I was very small, went back and forth. Quite often I stayed for a long time. I’ve been staying for a long time. I could have been there for a few months, then back to my grandmother.
And where was it more comfortable for you?Of course, I liked it [in the Netherlands]. We went to Disneyland and somewhere else. Everything was different there. At that time we didn’t even have yoghurts in Ukraine. And there from food was all that can be. As we have now, it was already there then. As a child, I liked both places. I also liked the yard in Ukraine – I could climb the trees, walk in abandoned kindergartens with friends, and in the Netherlands, I also enjoyed being with the locals. I remember when I visited Disneyland, my mother told me that I went to kindergarten and said: “Oh, it’s so boring here, Disneyland was better.” At first, I did not like to be in this kindergarten, and then it was OK, I made friends with the guys.
As a child, did you realize that your appearance was different from the appearance of others? Was it difficult?In kindergarten, I don’t remember it at all. It seemed to me that everything was fine. But my mother used to say that when I was little, people would look at us sideways, like a black child, saying, what is it? They could react wildly. She even told me once, now that I’m grown up: “If you want children from a black man, I do not advise you [to give birth] in Russia.” I was very surprised, because I thought it wasn’t a problem.
My grandmother told me that [in the garden] I fought, never let anyone hurt me. Then my relatives taught me: if someone picks on you, don’t answer. That’s how I went and didn’t answer. They shout something, and I just walk away. Sometimes I got tired of it, it accumulated.
I went to several children’s camps every summer. I don’t remember if I had any problems with racism. But I remember I didn’t get along with the girls once. They lived with me in the same room. Either they were jealous, or else, in general, they constantly led me to scandals. I even hit one a couple of times. Somehow we didn’t get along. More girls weren’t friends with me. At some point, they all banded together, tricked my friend, and asked to call me. I came, and they sprinkled chlorine over me from head to toe. They also poured something into the shower gel, into a suitcase. In general, tried their best. I went to the camp headmaster. I don’t know why not to a camp leader. Probably because the leaders are already used to it. And by the way, she (director - ed.) then stood up for me. I always took part in events, performed, was very active, so she knew me. She came [to the squad] and said: “Who did this, come out! You will not go to this camp again. " They would come again then, of course, but I was pleased, I felt that I was not alone.


